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<clem> Welcome everyone to this weekly meeting
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<clem> I'm hoping we'll keep things short today and we won't go over 1 hour in length
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<clem> the topics for today are:
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<clem> - Follow up on actions
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<clem> - Segfault Blog
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<clem> - 1.8 Release
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<clem> - General questions
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<clem> Following up on the actions...
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<clem> - @clem: Add rjanja, cobinja to the triaging team
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<clem> --> I didn't get a chance to do that
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<clem> - @clem, @glebihan, @briand: Talk about pastebin and integration with xchat/DE
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<clem> --> Nothing was done on this either :(
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* clem looks at his shoes
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<clem> right.. next topic...
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<clem> Segfault Blog
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<glebihan> it's gonna be quick that way ;)
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<clem> The blog was successfully started
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<clem> it's hosted at http://segfault.linuxmint.com
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<clem> so far we kept a pace of 1 article per day but we only have two active contributors at the moment
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<clem> Any questions regarding the blog before we move on to the next topic?
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* glebihan now looks at his shoes
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<clem> nice shoes glebihan
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<glebihan> thanks :)
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<clem> right, next topic then ...
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* clem whispers to glebihan, "only kidding, I don't like them" :)
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<clem> 1.8 release
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<clem> Cinnamon 1.8.0 was released
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* glebihan doesn't believe clem
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<clem> all packages were labeled 1.8.0
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<AlbertP> muffin too has jumped from 1.1.2 to 1.7.x to 1.8.0 versions.
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<clem> they can now evolve independently on the 1.8.x wave as we fix bugs
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<clem> yes
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<clem> so for instance, we can fix a few bugs in cinnamon and label it 1.8.1
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<clem> and have muffin and all stay at 1.8.0
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<clem> we won't make announcements for these bug fixes minor releases
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<glebihan> none at all ?
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<clem> any question on 1.8? anything you want to see included in 1.8.1?
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<AlbertP> mtwebster's menu pull already got merged?
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<mtwebster> AlbertP: yes
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<AlbertP> indeed, I see it on github #1958.
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<clem> link?
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<AlbertP> clem: no need, it's merged already.https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/pull/1958
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<clem> oh yes, that's in 1.8.0 already
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<AlbertP> For Muffin, what do we do with pulls #80 and #82? We should add a [2.0] label if they get postponed.
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<clem> there's a couple of fixes from glebihan coming in 1.8.1 and we're moving background defs to cinnamon-background-properties
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<mtwebster> i don't think 82 should wait for 2.0
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<glebihan> clem, my fixes are packaging fixes, they should be used when you push 1.8.0 into the repos
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<clem> #80 can wait
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<clem> glebihan: we'll probably have 1.8.1 by then
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<AlbertP> mtwebster: indeed I haven't had a response from luyikei yet on this, so we should't merge it right now.
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<clem> #82 we should talk about it when we get a chance
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<mtwebster> https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/pull/282 i'd like to see in, as technically it's a fix, but not a huge deal
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<glebihan> clem, ok, didn't know when you intended to push
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<AlbertP> clem: label #80 as [2.0], keep #82 for the moment, ok?
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<clem> ok AlbertP
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<clem> ok mtwebster
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<clem> I'll check with you later on on this one mtwebster
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<AlbertP> clem: we should remove muffin suggesting the gnome-session package in the deb packages.
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<glebihan> AlbertP, why ?
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<clem> gnome-session-bin is needed, not gnome-session
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<AlbertP> glebihan: gnome-session is the session of Gnome Shell. gnome-session-bin is the gnome session manager which we're using.
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<glebihan> ok
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<clem> do you want to make a pull AlbertP? or glebihan you want to commit that quickly?
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<glebihan> as a matter of fact, shouldn't we consider getting rid of the muffin package at some point ?
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<clem> yes
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<clem> but in the future :))
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<AlbertP> clem: we'd better have it recommend Cinnamon instead of a gnome shell package.
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<glebihan> clem, I can do it. So I should just replace gnome-session with gnome-session-bin right ?
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<clem> glebihan: gnome-session-bin would be a depend I think
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<glebihan> ok
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<clem> glebihan: it's cinnamon which should depend on gnome-session-bin really
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<AlbertP> clem & glebihan: a dependency of cinnamon, not of muffin. Muffin is just recommending it.
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<glebihan> err
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<glebihan> no
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<glebihan> muffin shouldn't depend on gnome-session-bin, recommend is correct I think
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<glebihan> same for cinnamon
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<clem> glebihan: although technically yes, you don't "need" it
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<clem> glebihan: you only need it to use the cinnamon session def
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<AlbertP> I'd rather have Muffin recommend cinnamon, then cinnamon would depend or recommend gnome-session-bin.
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<glebihan> AlbertP, no, as long as we have the muffin package, it should recommend gnome-session-bin as well
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<glebihan> AlbertP, muffin can be run without cinnamon, it shouldn't count on what cinnamon defines as dependencies
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<clem> glebihan: muffin doesn't provide its own session
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<clem> glebihan: anyway we don't even install muffin...
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<glebihan> clem, exactly why I think we should get rid of it
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<clem> :))
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<clem> ok, anything else in regards to 1.8?
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<AlbertP> glebihan: I think this dependency was intended to have mutter recommend the whole gnome session including the Shell.
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<glebihan> so... remove gnome-session recommends in muffin and add gnome-session-bin recommends on cinnamon ?
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<AlbertP> Cinnamon also has some pulls that would need to be marked [2.0].
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<AlbertP> glebihan: for Muffin, remove it indeed please; I will take a look what cinnamon's depending on currently.
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<AlbertP> glebihan: gnome-session-bin is currently not mentioned at cinnamon's dependencies/recommends, so feel free to add it somewhere in debian/control.
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<clem> glebihan: yes
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<AlbertP> I think we'd mark Cinnamon #1953 as [2.0] too, https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/pull/1953
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<clem> yes
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<clem> and 1907
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<AlbertP> and #1968 is 2.0 too? I wasn't certain for this one.
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<clem> yes
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<GitHub100> [muffin] glebihan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/nnmU2w
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<GitHub100> muffin/master 82cecd8 Gwendal Le Bihan: Remove useless recommends
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<AlbertP> And Muffin shouldn't suggest gnome-control-center anymore, shouldn't it?
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<clem> no
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<GitHub4> [Cinnamon] glebihan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EO2iuw
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<GitHub4> Cinnamon/master d619677 Gwendal Le Bihan: Add recommends on gnome-session-bin
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<AlbertP> clem & glebihan: I'll remove the gnome-control-center suggestion.
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<clem> ok
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<glebihan> AlbertP, I'll do it while I'm at it
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<clem> muffin isn't used so it's no big deal, but you're right, it shouldn't
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<AlbertP> glebihan: I already have the file open here, so no need to.
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<GitHub130> [muffin] glebihan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/iWH3Dg
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<GitHub130> muffin/master dd7d9ce Gwendal Le Bihan: Remove useless suggests
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<glebihan> AlbertP, too late
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<glebihan> :)
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<AlbertP> ok.
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<clem> anything else on 1.8?
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<clem> any "General Questions"?
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<mtwebster> clem: a few spices website things
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<clem> ok
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<mtwebster> another reminder to remove your applets and desklets that are already in cinnamon :) and, maybe improve the developer side of it, like notifications for comments
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<mtwebster> because we'll certainly have people complaining to devs to fix their stuff that doesn't download properly from cinnamon settings
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<clem> which one you want to see removed in particular?
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<mtwebster> clem: any that are duplicated in cinnamon already. for instance, the photo desklet online is older than what's in cinnamon
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<mtwebster> the one we package uses the settings api, the one on spices doesn't
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<mtwebster> yet the online one shows as an upgrade
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<mtwebster> so it would be confusing
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<clem> gone
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<clem> clock and launcher gone as well
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<mtwebster> ok
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<mtwebster> i think there area few applets but maybe you don't own them
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<mtwebster> they have the @cinnamon.org uuid though
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<clem> nightlife mint version gone
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<AlbertP> clem: I think we should mark gnome 3.8 compatibility pulls as [2.0] too.
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<AlbertP> muffin#81 and Cinnamon#1888
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<mtwebster> recent documents, trash, a11y applets
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<clem> is recent in cinnamon?
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<AlbertP> clem: yes it's in 1.8 at least
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<mtwebster> clem: yes all those are
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<AlbertP> clem: the 1.8 translation of Applets in Dutch is horrible! Let me correct that before Mint 15 please.
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<mtwebster> hehe
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<clem> AlbertP: that's in LP
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<AlbertP> clem: I know, but I thought I'd let you know then you can pull new LP translations into cinnamon before the mint 15 release.
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<clem> I don't see recent in cinnamon...
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<clem> AlbertP: oh yes, I will anyway
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<glebihan> clem, https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/tree/master/files/usr/share/cinnamon/applets/recent%40cinnamon.org
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<clem> it's there alright..
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<clem> oh ok.. it was hidden by the one I downloaded :))
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<clem> hehe, good point to illustrate the problem :)
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<clem> ok recent, trash, a11y are gone
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<clem> mtwebster: notifications on comments, yes, but that's for later
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<clem> anything other questions/remarks?
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<mtwebster> i think 1.8 came together nice in the end
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<clem> yes, it's a bit about the bumpmaps
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<clem> a "pity" sorry
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<AlbertP> do we really need to depend on libgnome2-common?
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<clem> it provides... /usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_background.schemas
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<clem> interesting :)
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<clem> and /usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_peripherals_mouse.schemas
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<glebihan> that feels a bit outdated :)
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<AlbertP> clem: huh? I don't see that file in "apt content libgnome2-common" on Mint 13.
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<AlbertP> clem: oops I did apt contains libgnome2-common instead.
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<AlbertP> gconf schemas can be thrown away if you ask it me.
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<clem> we can probably get rid of the dep
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<AlbertP> glebihan: I'll remove this dep from muffin ok?
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<mtwebster> speaking of dependencies, i'm gonna start having a look at cinnamon-s-d
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<glebihan> AlbertP, ok
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<clem> there's three things I'm worried about for Mint 15
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<clem> 1. DVDs don't play (probably something small)
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<clem> 2. MDM was fixed in regards to freezes but you're scaring me here on that glebihan :)
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<clem> 3. The super-awesome fly-through-the-sky MDM theme which was going to make everyone ditch Windows for Linux Mint relies on WebGL and doesn't work on all specs :(
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<GitHub116> [muffin] AlbertJP pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/_eAm7w
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<GitHub116> muffin/master 9944ab3 Albert Pool: Remove libgnome2-common dependency
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<clem> I'm planning to upload my ISOs for QA on Wednesday night
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<clem> hopefully everything will be fixed by then :)
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<clem> aiming for mid-month for the RC
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<AlbertP> clem: where's that MDM theme?
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<mtwebster> yeah webgl doesn't work on my quadro 2000 - apparently good enough for engineering 3d models, but not clouds
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<mtwebster> i was pissed
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<clem> AlbertP: in mint-mdm-themes
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<mtwebster> it barely runs on a sandybridge
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<mtwebster> like 4 fps
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<clem> mtwebster: I'll try to get a version of that same theme without using webGL
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<clem> mtwebster: samriggs animated themes run fine in Virtualbox without 3D accel, whereas the cloud theme doesn't
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<clem> mtwebster: his animations are 2D though
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<mtwebster> ah
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<clem> mtwebster: still, stuff moves in the background, people notice, that's the main thing really
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<AlbertP> clem: on mint 15? Don't see a cloud theme on Mint 14 mdm themes.
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<clem> AlbertP: Mint 15
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<mtwebster> AlbertP: there's a forum thread that he uploaded it to as well
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<clem> AlbertP: v1.0.8
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<mtwebster> lemme find it
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<clem> http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=126979
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<clem> Alright, we managed to fit the meeting without one hour for the VERY FIRST TIME! :)
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<mtwebster> yeah that
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<clem> congratulations everyone
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<mtwebster> lol
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<clem> and many thanks for being here
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<clem> the minutes and logs will be uploaded shortly, see you all next week for the next meeting ;)
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Topics:
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- Follow up on actions
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- 1.8 Release
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- General questions
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Actions:
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- @clem: Add rjanja, cobinja to the triaging team
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- @clem, @glebihan, @briand: Talk about pastebin and integration with xchat/DE
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