Welcome everyone to this weekly meeting I'm hoping we'll keep things short today and we won't go over 1 hour in length the topics for today are: - Follow up on actions - Segfault Blog - 1.8 Release - General questions Following up on the actions... - @clem: Add rjanja, cobinja to the triaging team --> I didn't get a chance to do that - @clem, @glebihan, @briand: Talk about pastebin and integration with xchat/DE --> Nothing was done on this either :( * clem looks at his shoes right.. next topic... Segfault Blog it's gonna be quick that way ;) The blog was successfully started it's hosted at http://segfault.linuxmint.com so far we kept a pace of 1 article per day but we only have two active contributors at the moment Any questions regarding the blog before we move on to the next topic? * glebihan now looks at his shoes nice shoes glebihan thanks :) right, next topic then ... * clem whispers to glebihan, "only kidding, I don't like them" :) 1.8 release Cinnamon 1.8.0 was released * glebihan doesn't believe clem all packages were labeled 1.8.0 muffin too has jumped from 1.1.2 to 1.7.x to 1.8.0 versions. they can now evolve independently on the 1.8.x wave as we fix bugs yes so for instance, we can fix a few bugs in cinnamon and label it 1.8.1 and have muffin and all stay at 1.8.0 we won't make announcements for these bug fixes minor releases none at all ? any question on 1.8? anything you want to see included in 1.8.1? mtwebster's menu pull already got merged? AlbertP: yes indeed, I see it on github #1958. link? clem: no need, it's merged already.https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/pull/1958 oh yes, that's in 1.8.0 already For Muffin, what do we do with pulls #80 and #82? We should add a [2.0] label if they get postponed. there's a couple of fixes from glebihan coming in 1.8.1 and we're moving background defs to cinnamon-background-properties i don't think 82 should wait for 2.0 clem, my fixes are packaging fixes, they should be used when you push 1.8.0 into the repos #80 can wait glebihan: we'll probably have 1.8.1 by then mtwebster: indeed I haven't had a response from luyikei yet on this, so we should't merge it right now. #82 we should talk about it when we get a chance https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo/pull/282 i'd like to see in, as technically it's a fix, but not a huge deal clem, ok, didn't know when you intended to push clem: label #80 as [2.0], keep #82 for the moment, ok? ok AlbertP ok mtwebster I'll check with you later on on this one mtwebster clem: we should remove muffin suggesting the gnome-session package in the deb packages. AlbertP, why ? gnome-session-bin is needed, not gnome-session glebihan: gnome-session is the session of Gnome Shell. gnome-session-bin is the gnome session manager which we're using. ok do you want to make a pull AlbertP? or glebihan you want to commit that quickly? as a matter of fact, shouldn't we consider getting rid of the muffin package at some point ? yes but in the future :)) clem: we'd better have it recommend Cinnamon instead of a gnome shell package. clem, I can do it. So I should just replace gnome-session with gnome-session-bin right ? glebihan: gnome-session-bin would be a depend I think ok glebihan: it's cinnamon which should depend on gnome-session-bin really clem & glebihan: a dependency of cinnamon, not of muffin. Muffin is just recommending it. err no muffin shouldn't depend on gnome-session-bin, recommend is correct I think same for cinnamon glebihan: although technically yes, you don't "need" it glebihan: you only need it to use the cinnamon session def I'd rather have Muffin recommend cinnamon, then cinnamon would depend or recommend gnome-session-bin. AlbertP, no, as long as we have the muffin package, it should recommend gnome-session-bin as well AlbertP, muffin can be run without cinnamon, it shouldn't count on what cinnamon defines as dependencies glebihan: muffin doesn't provide its own session glebihan: anyway we don't even install muffin... clem, exactly why I think we should get rid of it :)) ok, anything else in regards to 1.8? glebihan: I think this dependency was intended to have mutter recommend the whole gnome session including the Shell. so... remove gnome-session recommends in muffin and add gnome-session-bin recommends on cinnamon ? Cinnamon also has some pulls that would need to be marked [2.0]. glebihan: for Muffin, remove it indeed please; I will take a look what cinnamon's depending on currently. glebihan: gnome-session-bin is currently not mentioned at cinnamon's dependencies/recommends, so feel free to add it somewhere in debian/control. glebihan: yes I think we'd mark Cinnamon #1953 as [2.0] too, https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/pull/1953 yes and 1907 and #1968 is 2.0 too? I wasn't certain for this one. yes * GitHub100 (GitHub100@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has joined #linuxmint-dev [muffin] glebihan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/nnmU2w muffin/master 82cecd8 Gwendal Le Bihan: Remove useless recommends * GitHub100 (GitHub100@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has left #linuxmint-dev * Testing567 (Testing567@SpotChat-uprfnl.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #linuxmint-dev And Muffin shouldn't suggest gnome-control-center anymore, shouldn't it? no * satellit_e has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds) * GitHub4 (GitHub4@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has joined #linuxmint-dev [Cinnamon] glebihan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EO2iuw Cinnamon/master d619677 Gwendal Le Bihan: Add recommends on gnome-session-bin * GitHub4 (GitHub4@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has left #linuxmint-dev clem & glebihan: I'll remove the gnome-control-center suggestion. ok AlbertP, I'll do it while I'm at it muffin isn't used so it's no big deal, but you're right, it shouldn't glebihan: I already have the file open here, so no need to. * Garmine (Garmine@SpotChat-mt1omi.pool.telekom.hu) has joined #linuxmint-dev * GitHub130 (GitHub130@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has joined #linuxmint-dev [muffin] glebihan pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/iWH3Dg muffin/master dd7d9ce Gwendal Le Bihan: Remove useless suggests * GitHub130 (GitHub130@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has left #linuxmint-dev AlbertP, too late :) ok. anything else on 1.8? any "General Questions"? clem: a few spices website things ok another reminder to remove your applets and desklets that are already in cinnamon :) and, maybe improve the developer side of it, like notifications for comments because we'll certainly have people complaining to devs to fix their stuff that doesn't download properly from cinnamon settings which one you want to see removed in particular? clem: any that are duplicated in cinnamon already. for instance, the photo desklet online is older than what's in cinnamon the one we package uses the settings api, the one on spices doesn't yet the online one shows as an upgrade so it would be confusing gone clock and launcher gone as well ok i think there area few applets but maybe you don't own them they have the @cinnamon.org uuid though nightlife mint version gone * DarkEra (DarkEra@SpotChat-ep7sqb.access.telenet.be) has joined #linuxmint-dev clem: I think we should mark gnome 3.8 compatibility pulls as [2.0] too. muffin#81 and Cinnamon#1888 recent documents, trash, a11y applets is recent in cinnamon? clem: yes it's in 1.8 at least clem: yes all those are clem: the 1.8 translation of Applets in Dutch is horrible! Let me correct that before Mint 15 please. hehe AlbertP: that's in LP clem: I know, but I thought I'd let you know then you can pull new LP translations into cinnamon before the mint 15 release. I don't see recent in cinnamon... AlbertP: oh yes, I will anyway * blubb (blubb@SpotChat-6f0pqe.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) has joined #linuxmint-dev clem, https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/tree/master/files/usr/share/cinnamon/applets/recent%40cinnamon.org it's there alright.. oh ok.. it was hidden by the one I downloaded :)) hehe, good point to illustrate the problem :) ok recent, trash, a11y are gone * satellit_e (satellit@SpotChat-ub2.d9o.0.72.IP) has joined #linuxmint-dev mtwebster: notifications on comments, yes, but that's for later anything other questions/remarks? i think 1.8 came together nice in the end yes, it's a bit about the bumpmaps a "pity" sorry do we really need to depend on libgnome2-common? it provides... /usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_background.schemas interesting :) and /usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_peripherals_mouse.schemas that feels a bit outdated :) clem: huh? I don't see that file in "apt content libgnome2-common" on Mint 13. clem: oops I did apt contains libgnome2-common instead. gconf schemas can be thrown away if you ask it me. we can probably get rid of the dep * Oscar799 has quit (Quit: Leaving) glebihan: I'll remove this dep from muffin ok? speaking of dependencies, i'm gonna start having a look at cinnamon-s-d AlbertP, ok there's three things I'm worried about for Mint 15 1. DVDs don't play (probably something small) 2. MDM was fixed in regards to freezes but you're scaring me here on that glebihan :) 3. The super-awesome fly-through-the-sky MDM theme which was going to make everyone ditch Windows for Linux Mint relies on WebGL and doesn't work on all specs :( * GitHub116 (GitHub116@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has joined #linuxmint-dev [muffin] AlbertJP pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/_eAm7w muffin/master 9944ab3 Albert Pool: Remove libgnome2-common dependency * GitHub116 (GitHub116@SpotChat-ddhug2.rs.github.com) has left #linuxmint-dev I'm planning to upload my ISOs for QA on Wednesday night hopefully everything will be fixed by then :) aiming for mid-month for the RC clem: where's that MDM theme? yeah webgl doesn't work on my quadro 2000 - apparently good enough for engineering 3d models, but not clouds i was pissed AlbertP: in mint-mdm-themes it barely runs on a sandybridge like 4 fps mtwebster: I'll try to get a version of that same theme without using webGL mtwebster: samriggs animated themes run fine in Virtualbox without 3D accel, whereas the cloud theme doesn't mtwebster: his animations are 2D though ah mtwebster: still, stuff moves in the background, people notice, that's the main thing really clem: on mint 15? Don't see a cloud theme on Mint 14 mdm themes. AlbertP: Mint 15 AlbertP: there's a forum thread that he uploaded it to as well AlbertP: v1.0.8 lemme find it http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=126979 Alright, we managed to fit the meeting without one hour for the VERY FIRST TIME! :) yeah that congratulations everyone lol and many thanks for being here the minutes and logs will be uploaded shortly, see you all next week for the next meeting ;)